J. Harrison Ghee and Alex Newell made history as the first nonbinary-identifying actors to be nominated for Tony Awards. They sat down with TIME to discuss the nominations
. And it’s me but heightened in the fact that I am loud. I am very outspoken. But I do have a filter, which is shocking to most. I do think about what I’m going to say. Lulu does not. Lulu, if it comes up, it comes out.Daphne. Were you able to tweak her lines or character in a way that felt more true to you?
When I say to Christian [Borle, who plays Joe/Josephine] in Act II, when he’s like, “What do I call you? Jerry? Daphne?” And I’m like, “Either is fine, as long as you do it with love and respect.” When people ask me my pronouns, I say, “All things, with respect.” I understand that the world is conditioned to respond to what they see. So they’re always going to immediately say “he/him.” But I don’t expect you to know what I am feeling and what I am carrying that day.
Newell: Baby, I don’t know. The change itself is an extremely hard one to make. Because if we sit here and we talk about why the categories were separated at the beginning, it was to give other people than cis white men awards. And we did take gender off of some awards in the U.K., and thewas cis white men. And I said, “Ooh, we just went right back to where we started.” So I don’t know what that looks like. It’s a deeper conversation.
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