Succession's Sarah Snook and Matthew Macfadyen on Shiv’s ambitions, Tom’s self-sacrifice, and what it means to be a Roy. Listen to the latest episode of V.F.’s Still Watching:
: It was difficult! There were plenty of times where we were not able to get through it. They didn’t use them but [there were] so many, “fuck you” moments as she was leaving.: I love: “What are you trying to do, take my basal temperature with your dick?”: I think she wants success and stability and she wants to—in terms of the company but also in terms of the competition within the family to appear the most normal and stable. I think part of that was getting married in the first place.
This episode has very high stakes. And then in the middle of it all, Logan goes “piss mad” thanks to a urinary tract infection.Everyone around him is terrified of saying that the emperor has no clothes. For Shiv, is that out of worship or fear of crossing Logan?: She also is the only one at the end who actually does something about it. I think there’s a little bit of Logan [in her], in that she can flick the switch and be less empathetic and more practical, pragmatic, business minded.
In the season two finale, Logan was disappointed because Shiv wouldn’t choose a fall guy for the company. And yet, as you said, she comes through this time. The two sidelined daughters [Shiv and Sandy’s daughter, played by Hope Davis] step up and make a deal.: Totally, and I think that’s probably signifying a little bit of growth. She’s been schooled, with him saying: “You’ve got to make these hard decisions if you’re going to be CEO.” And I think she takes that on board.
Matthew, it always felt to me like Tom was an arrogant opportunist. But at this point, he’s willing to sacrifice himself. Is he playing a long game? Or was there a shift in him?I don’t know how calculating he is. I think that sort of comes to him, the idea of offering himself up to Logan. He’s got nothing else to lose, really.… They’re all survivors, really. They have to be in that world.
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