Pale Waves singer Heather Baron-Gracie on learning to deal with online attacks, her enduring love of The Cranberries, and the ‘very nice’ Matty Healy
‘Reneé Rapp, Billie Eilish, Chappell Roan – it feels like there’s a wave of queer artists now. It’s so good’
“It bothered me a lot when I was a few years younger – when we were starting out,” says Baron-Gracie in her soft Lancashire accent as Pale Waves prepare to release Smitten, their gauzy, emotion-soaked fourth album. “It bothered me quite a bit. I was way more insecure than I am now. It is weird when strangers feel they can comment on my appearance or the way I sing.”
That came on the heels of an incident at 3Arena in Dublin in early 2023 when, in response to a chorus of “Olé, olé, olé”, he observed of the Irish audience,Baron-Gracie is all too aware of Healy’s Marmite qualities, but she is also grateful to The 1975 for their early backing. “He is a very nice man. He does say some wacky things. They were supportive of Pale Waves at the start,” she says.
“At that age everything feels intense, doesn’t it? Not even relationships but in terms of general self. I would never freak out about something today that I would have when I was younger. That comes with age and maturity and confidence. The lyrics I write are usually quite general – with this I wanted to be descriptive and personal.”
in Manchester – and believes the energy created by a group of friends joining together to make music is unique. Don’t get her wrong, there are some great solo artists at the moment. But the world could badly do with the us-against-the-world mentality of a pop group. “It’s a struggle in terms of touring. It’s difficult for anyone to tour in America, for example. It is so expensive,” she says. “If you’re not at the point where you’re playing for thousands of people a night, selling out shows, you’re not going to be able to do it. It costs too much. You don’t have the money to do that. It’s crazy how you can get paid X amount to play a show and then you see so much of that is drained from costs.
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